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there's this one over the debt ceiling. there's a continuing resolution to actually fund the government. then there's sequestration. yesterday politico reporting that house gop members are gearing up for a fight over the debt ceiling, but now you have people like newt gingrich, choice of reason in the wilderness. let's play the sound. he is advocating for them not to fight over this. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united states to not pay its bills. they have much better news to fight over spending. they have a continuing resolution that funds government, which comes up at the end of march, and they have this sequester that automatically cuts spending. >> gingrich isn't saying lay down your arms, but he is saying there are better battles ahead. >> he is saying you're going to lose this debt fight because -- he has said previously that the entire global world of finance is going to come into washington the week before the debt ceiling is hit and they're going to
there's this one over the debt ceiling. there's a continuing resolution to actually fund the government. then there's sequestration. yesterday politico reporting that house gop members are gearing up for a fight over the debt ceiling, but now you have people like newt gingrich, choice of reason in the wilderness. let's play the sound. he is advocating for them not to fight over this. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united...
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. >>> the president talked forcefully he will not negotiate about the debt ceiling. let me play what one of your republican colleagues told me about that yesterday. >> would you be willing if you don't get the cuts that you think are necessary, would you be willing to go into default or shut down the government? >> i think there is a way to avoid default, if it requires shutting down certain portions of the government, let's like at that. >> are you worried about a shutdown or worse, are you worried about default? >> i'm worried about both. default is like saying i ran up my credit card and now i'm not going to pay you it's going to be bad for the united states. i think we need to pay our xwils. that's the first thing. with respect to shutting down the government so we save money. we know anytime we shut down the government, we actually spend more money in the long run. i do believe we need or national parks or rangers there. i do believe that it is important for us to ramp up our transportation to fill those potholes, to make those connectors, to give money to am tr
. >>> the president talked forcefully he will not negotiate about the debt ceiling. let me play what one of your republican colleagues told me about that yesterday. >> would you be willing if you don't get the cuts that you think are necessary, would you be willing to go into default or shut down the government? >> i think there is a way to avoid default, if it requires shutting down certain portions of the government, let's like at that. >> are you worried about a...
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president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. >> republicans made their choice today during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cap tore reportedly announced plans to pass a bill extending the debt limit for an additional three months. it's the clearest signs yet republicans have no intention of ever defaulting on the country's debt. in a statement the white house responding, saying, we are encouraged. there are signs congressional republicans may back off their insistence on holding our economy hostage to extract drastic cuts in medicare, education and programs middle class families depend on. the temporary nature of the increase is somewhat troubling. a white house official told nbc news it's a terrible way to run the country. but the aid
president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. >> republicans made their choice today during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cap tore reportedly announced plans...
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president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the speaker. what is your main problem with him? >> i have no personal problems. i keep hearing that. he himself said i carrying no grudges. we've talked several times. the point is to let him know with le stand up to leadership and hold him account annual. i think that's important to know. that really is on both sides of the aisle. if you go back there were people that challenged the leadership, too. i think that's a good thing. you have new members of congress willing to stand up and saying let's rethink this. let's put america first, not necessarily party politics. i fired the first volley that you would
president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it is absurd. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. >> house republicans continued to threaten to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. house republican conference chairwoman kathy rogers told "political" i think it is possible we would shut down the government to make sure that president obama understands that we're serious. well, i guess that would do it. we always talk
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of...
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if you watch what happened on the fiscal cliff, if you watch the way he is handling the debt ceiling, i think he understands that he has a lot of high cards he is going to play those, and the republicans are in some disarray here. tom cole in the house leadership say half the republicans voted against the fiscal cliff deal secretly hoped it passed. we've entered a new kind of framework. guns are a different story. it's going to be tough, maybe impossible to pass all the different stuff the president proposed, and some like the background checks, 90% of americans are for them. nra numbers are for them. one really big thing is happening. the old line that this is about conphysician cat iing people's guns taking guns away from hunters has been opposed because this has been too vivid a tragedy, and the president has been so swift and so clear. >> and anybody who goes back and looks at the heller case, the d.c. gun case, knows that the supreme court has made it very clear this is want about confiscating your guns, but some restrictions on military weapons are quite legal and constitutional
if you watch what happened on the fiscal cliff, if you watch the way he is handling the debt ceiling, i think he understands that he has a lot of high cards he is going to play those, and the republicans are in some disarray here. tom cole in the house leadership say half the republicans voted against the fiscal cliff deal secretly hoped it passed. we've entered a new kind of framework. guns are a different story. it's going to be tough, maybe impossible to pass all the different stuff the...
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all with a man who said it's time to get rid of the debt ceiling. new york congressman jerry nadler is in the guest spot as we roll on for wednesday, january 16th. look what mommy is having. mommy's having a french fry. yes she is, yes she is. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. 100% vegetable juice, with three of your daily vegetable servings in every little bottle. i'm up next, but now i'm singing the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief it is! is a fantastic experience. 30 shrimp for $11.99. i can't imagine anything better. you're getting a ton of shrimp, and it tastes really good! [ male announcer ] hurry in to red lobster's 30 shrimp for just $11.99! choose any two of five savory shrimp selections, like mango jalapeÑo shrimp and parmesan crunch shrimp. two delicious shrimp selections on one plate! all with salad and unlimited cheddar bay biscuits. 30 shrimp, just $11.99 for a limited time. wow, that's a lot of shrimp. i'm ryon stewart, i'm the ult
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could hit the debt ceiling as soon as mid-february. joining me now, host of "power lunch," tyler matheson. good to see you again. >> hi, tamron. >> we have the threat of our credit rating being downgraded here as wall street keeps an eye just like people at home what's happening in d.c. with the latest battle. >> this is really the biggy. compared with the fiscal cliff which was by all accounts a roughly familiar tax and spending debate, this one has far more import because it will determine whether among other things the united states continues to make good on the obligations it has already undertaken. interest and principal on the debt we have borrowed. our credit rating which was so famously downgraded in the summer of 2011 hangs in the balance here. and of course, people on both sides of the aisle are fighting over whether it is fair game to use the debt ceiling as a piece of political leverage to get the government to stop its spending. on the one hand, people on the right say, well, what else are we going to use? we are engaging
could hit the debt ceiling as soon as mid-february. joining me now, host of "power lunch," tyler matheson. good to see you again. >> hi, tamron. >> we have the threat of our credit rating being downgraded here as wall street keeps an eye just like people at home what's happening in d.c. with the latest battle. >> this is really the biggy. compared with the fiscal cliff which was by all accounts a roughly familiar tax and spending debate, this one has far more import...
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we know we have got more on the debt ceiling, we know that republicans are already losing on that. so we have got to be very careful on that. the president knows that and that's part of the strategy of going directly to northwestern people. >> let's take a look at a new cnn time orc poll that talks about that stricter gun control laws and what the temperature is. 55% favor districter gun control laws. and then if we look back just a little bit further to "the washington post," abc poll, they talk about armed guards in schools. this is where the dichotomy in school -- the poll shows that 55% support having armed guards in school whereas 52% oppose that. and karen, i want to start with you on this one. because for the people on the left who are proud to say they support second amendment rights, we look at that contrast there where people want to see districter gun control laws, but they also think that there is a legitimate discussion to be had about having armed guards at school. >> we haven't had that discussion. remember the -- thomas -- when you talk about having armed guards, yo
we know we have got more on the debt ceiling, we know that republicans are already losing on that. so we have got to be very careful on that. the president knows that and that's part of the strategy of going directly to northwestern people. >> let's take a look at a new cnn time orc poll that talks about that stricter gun control laws and what the temperature is. 55% favor districter gun control laws. and then if we look back just a little bit further to "the washington post,"...
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that is far from a don't raise the debt ceiling ultimatum. boehner has now shown that he's willing to break glass and allow legislation to pass without a majority of the majority. perhaps we've seen the near future in how the republicans end up agreeing to a debt ceiling raise without a battle. government funding and government shutdown, different story. >>> let's turn back to the big story of the day. and that is the president's push on guns and the coming fight with both congress and the nra. in addition to calling on congress to pass gun control legislation, the president will propose a set of executive actions. nbc's justice correspondent pete williams is here to help explain some of those executive actions. a big one that we know he's going to call for is this idea, pete, of basically ordering the justice department to prosecute people that fail background checks. explain why that hasn't been done before, and how it can be done. >> sure, first of all. the federal law makes it a crime for somebody to falsify, knowingly falsify information
that is far from a don't raise the debt ceiling ultimatum. boehner has now shown that he's willing to break glass and allow legislation to pass without a majority of the majority. perhaps we've seen the near future in how the republicans end up agreeing to a debt ceiling raise without a battle. government funding and government shutdown, different story. >>> let's turn back to the big story of the day. and that is the president's push on guns and the coming fight with both congress and...
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you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save the next election. if your conservative philosophy is indeed right, winning will come. joining me now, robert costa, and dave weigel, both of them doing great reporting, i appreciate you being here. robert, i want to start with you, tell me the thinking behind the three-month extension, why three months? >> a lot of it has to do public relations, i think what i heard from the retreat, and members in the room, they want to start to win the pr battle again, to do it they have to take the debt limit off the table, and fight with spending in regard to th
you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save...
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what is failing to raise the debt ceiling? why is that going to be catastrophic? >> well, you know, first of all the stock and bond markets will really go haywire in a way they didn't when we were about to go over the fiscal cliff because government bonds are held by everybody. chinese central bank, japanese central bank, every single bank financial institution out there. so if there's any question over the value of those and they start to decline, these institutions have a great amount of leverage and interconnected with everything else and sort of see what happened in 2008. it's also this issue of, you know, who gets paid? if you start to have to say maybe soldiers get paid but not paying for the fuel or these doctors will get paid, you know, government is a huge force in our economy. like it or not. and the number of companies that would really be affected from walmart to every defense contractor to giant health care companies, if their ability to collect money that is owed to them is then put in doubt, that triggers a whole, you know, range of activities of ot
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susan collins believes the debt ceiling must be raised. we have seen how the debt ceiling can be raised without a battle. the first read today, this is an interesting development that perhaps will expedite this debt ceiling battle. >> we have a lot more twists and turns to come in the battle. one of the best predictors of whether one side will win or lose and how unify and united that side is. we are seeing fizzures among republicans and conservative writers as well as gop interest groups who are saying we shouldn't pick a fight when it comes to the debt ceiling. maybe it's better to pick a fight over shutting the government down rather than risking the default of the government when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. this is a significant development. it shows a lot of people thought we were looking ahead to the debt ceiling and the republicans had a lot more leverage. that can call it into question. >> that are sounds like the president describes. i use the word lurching to the next crisis ahead. it was the fiscal cliff and then it wa
susan collins believes the debt ceiling must be raised. we have seen how the debt ceiling can be raised without a battle. the first read today, this is an interesting development that perhaps will expedite this debt ceiling battle. >> we have a lot more twists and turns to come in the battle. one of the best predictors of whether one side will win or lose and how unify and united that side is. we are seeing fizzures among republicans and conservative writers as well as gop interest groups...
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jared, if president obama were the one holding the debt ceiling hostage, right as the housing, auto, and retail sectors seem to be rebounding, wouldn't the house republicans be calling the president's tactics those of a socialist who wanted to bring down the american economy? >> i think they would, and i appreciate your bringing the economy into it. the president did that yesterday. the more we talk about the debt ceiling after obsessing over the fiscal cliff, the more i look at the whole thing as a massive dangling the key or, you know, don't look over here at the real economy, which is where people would really like policymakers to be dealing, but look at this so-called fiscal crisis which doesn't even exist. the president very clearly, and i thought helpfully, spelled out the numbers yesterday and actually to get from where we are, given the spending cuts and tax increases that we've implemented so far, to where we need to be to stabilize the debt, is not that heavy a lift if we had a functional politics that was actually paying attention to what needs to be done instead of creati
jared, if president obama were the one holding the debt ceiling hostage, right as the housing, auto, and retail sectors seem to be rebounding, wouldn't the house republicans be calling the president's tactics those of a socialist who wanted to bring down the american economy? >> i think they would, and i appreciate your bringing the economy into it. the president did that yesterday. the more we talk about the debt ceiling after obsessing over the fiscal cliff, the more i look at the whole...
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ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to spend to congress. the result is the money congress has already borrowed. president obama explained to the american people in congress how they're trying to do their actual jobs. >> these are bills that are racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm we'illing to find compromise on how to pay our debts, americans should not be stopped from paying the bills we racked up. >> the country will be in a dire situation. president obama knows
ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or...
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on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. thanks for being here. >> good to be here, rachel. >> eric cantore said, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you know, there are a couple of things to think about here. i call this plan r for run away. but we know that john boehner often has had trouble with his various plans. plan b most notoriously, getting them approved, accepted and passed by his own house republicans. and cantore made a very declarative statement today. there already immediately were grumblings that some house republicans will go along with this i'm not sure that democrats will, too. it remains to be seen whether, indeed, john boehner and cantore can get passed what they want to do. then again this is just a
on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. thanks for being here. >> good to be here, rachel. >> eric cantore said, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you know, there are...
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no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. ♪ doing it with a cold, just not going to happen. vicks dayquil -- powerful non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ no matter what city you're playing t
no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record...
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ceiling thing. in 2011, there was not a single republican in congress in the house or in the senate who broke ranks publicly and said actually, purposefully driving the american economy into a ditch to make a point that even we don't understand and that is against the constitution, that might not be a great idea. nobody broke ranks when the republicans did this in 2011. nobody on the republican side. but today on the republican side somebody did. today republican senator lisa murkowski of alaska broke ranks. she gave an interview to her hometown newspaper in alaska, she says she disagrees threatening the country with default. quote, murkowski is breaking rank, saying the country has a duty to assure it pays its bills. murkowski said not all of her colleagues in the senate will say it out loud, but she believes most agree that failing to raise the debt limit would harm perception of the country. quote, if you incur an obligation, you have a responsibility to pay for that, murkowski said. time is goin
ceiling thing. in 2011, there was not a single republican in congress in the house or in the senate who broke ranks publicly and said actually, purposefully driving the american economy into a ditch to make a point that even we don't understand and that is against the constitution, that might not be a great idea. nobody broke ranks when the republicans did this in 2011. nobody on the republican side. but today on the republican side somebody did. today republican senator lisa murkowski of...
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the republicans have at least begun to back off on the debt ceiling fight. you note that sandy aid passed even though it only got 46 republican votes in the house. it seems to me this strategy of laying out what you want and then negotiating is better than trying to figure out what the other side wants. >> chairman steel, there's been some discussion as to whether this was even, many of the, that progressive of a speech, but the reaction from conservative outlets -- >> oh, baby, it was. >> i have been waiting for the real barack obama to show up, and i don't mean that as a criticism. i mean that honestly. knowing him as i have come to know him over the years, going back to when he first came to washington as a senator, that's the guy that i as chairman was prepared to do battle against and framed my chairmanship and even wrote a book about how to defeat this agenda, this very progressive agenda for conservatives to wake up coming out of the slumps of 2006 and 2008. >> can i say one thing, though, and ezra, i would like to get your thoughts on this. i thought
the republicans have at least begun to back off on the debt ceiling fight. you note that sandy aid passed even though it only got 46 republican votes in the house. it seems to me this strategy of laying out what you want and then negotiating is better than trying to figure out what the other side wants. >> chairman steel, there's been some discussion as to whether this was even, many of the, that progressive of a speech, but the reaction from conservative outlets -- >> oh, baby, it...
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i'm not going to give house republicans anything for raising the debt ceiling. it's on them. if they want to take the heat for veterans benefits and social security benefits not getting to people, what game of chicken are we playing here? >> really high stakes game of chicken is what we're playing here. i had the occasion of going back and reading actually the president's first news conference after he became president, and he is talking then about his overtures to republicans and how he hopes he can create habits of good behavior. well, it's been four long years, and that was about the feistiest press conference spurred by nothing other than he just really wanted to send this signal once again. his message was i'm not backing down, and he is getting the message back from republicans that they aren't either. i think we're going to be asking ourselves which side is going to blink for the next several weeks. i don't know that -- i don't feel confident that i know the answer to that question. >> ruth marcus, thank you very much. kristen welker thank you, from the white house. >>
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today's vote would raise the debt ceiling allowing more borrowing through spring to pay america's bills, and it cuts pay for lawmakers if they can't pass a budget by tax time, april 15th. >> most americans believe you don't do your job, you shouldn't get paid. >> i'm tired of government governing by gimmicks. >> reporter: the senate has not passed a budget in almost four years. >> the last time they passed a budget, the ipad had not been introduced. >> reporter: paul ryan will draft the republican budget, likely with deeper cuts than the one he offered last year. that's a carrot to get conservatives to go along, some still want to see cuts first. >> i will not vote to raise the debt ceiling unless significant efforts are made to fix the underlying problem. >> reporter: senate democrats hint they will pass a budget, but not necessarily soon. >> we'll approach that when we need to. >> reporter: the white house says even though it's short-term, the president will sign it. >> the debt ceiling ought not to be a political football. >> reporter: this republican retreat with one last stand. if
today's vote would raise the debt ceiling allowing more borrowing through spring to pay america's bills, and it cuts pay for lawmakers if they can't pass a budget by tax time, april 15th. >> most americans believe you don't do your job, you shouldn't get paid. >> i'm tired of government governing by gimmicks. >> reporter: the senate has not passed a budget in almost four years. >> the last time they passed a budget, the ipad had not been introduced. >> reporter:...
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debt ceiling as a leverage point to get the president to agree to the cuts? >> i think that would be a grave mistake. i don't think that would solve anything. i know they're going to try it. how far we'll go, i have no idea. if you're a real conservative, really honest conservative without hypocrisy, you want to pay your debt. and that's what this is. they're not running up anything new. >> former senator chuck hagel, the man nominated to be the next secretary of defense picked up two key voices of support, chuck schumer and barbara boxer. two prominent democrats. they spoke separately with hagel to discuss the record. hagel eased their concerns after spelling out where he stands on issues ranging from iran and israel. to the treatment of gays in the military. there will be plenty of pageantry during president obama's inauguration on monday. the official swearing in will have taken place the day before. you see the constitution requires a president's term to start on january 20th which falls on a sunday this year. john roberts will administer the oath of offi
debt ceiling as a leverage point to get the president to agree to the cuts? >> i think that would be a grave mistake. i don't think that would solve anything. i know they're going to try it. how far we'll go, i have no idea. if you're a real conservative, really honest conservative without hypocrisy, you want to pay your debt. and that's what this is. they're not running up anything new. >> former senator chuck hagel, the man nominated to be the next secretary of defense picked up...
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you have the debt ceiling issue. all of those are in the mix right now because they are all coming to a head at the same time. we are going to need to deal with all of them. can't we be responsible? can't we work collaboratively on this? if we can -- hearing from the white house that, you know, you go figure it out. it is not my problem. i didn't have anything to do with this. that's not the way to go. >> let me ask you about your job as the head of the republican campaign committee. will you support all incumbent house republicans no matter what under all circumstances? or -- is your job to eliminate primary opposition? >> you know, i love how you -- you know, we try to talk in absolutes here. we are a member of organization that supports republicans and republican members of the house. here's when we do and we go out and recruit. i think, you know the voters want to check and balance in washington. we are going to offer a positive alternative. great candidates. we now -- second biggest majority since world war ii c
you have the debt ceiling issue. all of those are in the mix right now because they are all coming to a head at the same time. we are going to need to deal with all of them. can't we be responsible? can't we work collaboratively on this? if we can -- hearing from the white house that, you know, you go figure it out. it is not my problem. i didn't have anything to do with this. that's not the way to go. >> let me ask you about your job as the head of the republican campaign committee. will...
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pass the debt ceiling and talk about spending cuts if that's what you want to talk about. >> i want to read what "the washington post" conservative columnist had to say about the republican strategy. here's what he said. he wrote, obama's post-election arrogance and intransigence can put you in a fighting mood. i sympathize. this is what he's telling the republicans but i'm tending toward the realist view. don't force the issue when you don't have the power s. that what we're seeing with the debt kreeling in they don't have the power and maybe taking this advice from the conservative columnist? >> it's rare i agree with charles krauthammer but don't fight battles you can't win and don't go to the brink to be perceived as pulling back and therefore losing. this is not a fight they can win. it's certainly one they can lose and i think, though, just doing this three months, we are not done with this. if you're a crisis junkie, we are in the position of not only did the fiscal cliff not end this, we'll talk about this, and talking about it and talking about it and whether there's a coheren
pass the debt ceiling and talk about spending cuts if that's what you want to talk about. >> i want to read what "the washington post" conservative columnist had to say about the republican strategy. here's what he said. he wrote, obama's post-election arrogance and intransigence can put you in a fighting mood. i sympathize. this is what he's telling the republicans but i'm tending toward the realist view. don't force the issue when you don't have the power s. that what we're...
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we need to raise the debt ceiling so we should do it. we need to, you know, have a budget and need to reduce the deficit and need to make investments for the future. what he wanted to talk about is what a great country it is and how we need to make sure it's a country that offers opportunity for all americans and expands the middle class. >> you have been in the trenches. you know how divided congress is. do you think by not using words like compromise, by not reaching out in that very high profile speech, that it was a missed opportunity as some republicans are suggesting? >> well, i think that, you know, it's a little bit of looking backwards and the president was looking forward. i think what he was really saying is and reflecting in a way on his last two years, is he sought to compromise and compromise and compromise again and has gotten so little from the republican leadership. i think what the speech yesterday was about is we need to move forward and if going to, you need to know i'm going to be a determined president. we know the
we need to raise the debt ceiling so we should do it. we need to, you know, have a budget and need to reduce the deficit and need to make investments for the future. what he wanted to talk about is what a great country it is and how we need to make sure it's a country that offers opportunity for all americans and expands the middle class. >> you have been in the trenches. you know how divided congress is. do you think by not using words like compromise, by not reaching out in that very...
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and let's take it to them on the debt ceiling. that is what we'll do on the debt limit. that is where we'll fight the battle. that is where we're take it to obama, that is where we'll make him pay and get the spending cuts. remember that? that is where we're at. we're now at the debt limit. and guess what? this is not the time to fight this battle. we can't win anything on the debt limit. and when we get to march and the continuing resolution -- you know what, what will be said then? this is not the hilda fight, we don't want to be responsible for people not getting their social security checks. we don't want to be blamed for it. >> joining me now are ryan grim, washington bureau chief for "huffington post," ryan, so really, they on the debt ceiling, if all the democrats voted to raise it they would only need 18 republican votes to raise it. is that the kind of thing we're going to see happen? >> i mean, you're either going to see that or a complete and total cave. but i don't think you will see a complete and total one, because you have the tea party still hanging aroun
and let's take it to them on the debt ceiling. that is what we'll do on the debt limit. that is where we'll fight the battle. that is where we're take it to obama, that is where we'll make him pay and get the spending cuts. remember that? that is where we're at. we're now at the debt limit. and guess what? this is not the time to fight this battle. we can't win anything on the debt limit. and when we get to march and the continuing resolution -- you know what, what will be said then? this is...
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meanwhile the problem break through on the debt ceiling. the house gop said they are considering raising the debt limit for three months, a vote is scheduled next week, more details on that in a bit. >>> today, of course is the last full day of president obama's first term and it's the national day of service. day for giving back. earlier today the president and first lady volunteered at a school in the washington, d.c. area, nbc's ron is standing by the national day of service day tent at the mall and you have a special guest there with you as well, good day to you, sir? >> reporter: hey there, craig. my special guest is being mobbed by the crowd behind me. it's the senior adviser to president obama. she will make her way here in a second. as she comes up, we will give her a big welcome. welcome, valerie. pleasure to see you. >> pleasure to be here. can you believe the crowd? it's amazing. >> reporter: the president and first lady created this to really hopefully make it a standing tradition for inaugurations going forward. >> not just ina
meanwhile the problem break through on the debt ceiling. the house gop said they are considering raising the debt limit for three months, a vote is scheduled next week, more details on that in a bit. >>> today, of course is the last full day of president obama's first term and it's the national day of service. day for giving back. earlier today the president and first lady volunteered at a school in the washington, d.c. area, nbc's ron is standing by the national day of service day...
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of course, that means another debt ceiling debate is just three months away. joining us now, bill cohen, a columnist at bloomberg view and by phone we have nbc's luke russert in williamsburg, virginia, covering the house republicans. welcome to both of you. >> thank you, karen. >> luke, i want to start with you. republicans are calling it a plan, democratic leader nancy pelosi call it is a gimmick. it sounds more like -- i mean, my read initially was this is more like political posturing rather than a serious deal. what are you hearing down there? >> well, it certainly is something that's meant to try and force the senate to act. you know, the senate has not passed a suggest in over 1,300 days and that's a popular rallying cry of the house gop. but what came out of this retreat was the idea instilled in members that it's probably not beneficial with the republican brand so damaged nationally to have a real standoff over the debt limit. this is a way they're trying to get passed that, a three-month extension. they're not demanding any cuts. all they're demandin
of course, that means another debt ceiling debate is just three months away. joining us now, bill cohen, a columnist at bloomberg view and by phone we have nbc's luke russert in williamsburg, virginia, covering the house republicans. welcome to both of you. >> thank you, karen. >> luke, i want to start with you. republicans are calling it a plan, democratic leader nancy pelosi call it is a gimmick. it sounds more like -- i mean, my read initially was this is more like political...
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. >>> now to the fight over the debt ceiling. with the government on pace to run out of money by mid-february. yesterday president obama warned republican leaders that raising the nation's borrowing limit was nonnegotiable. he also struck back at members of congress who aim to use the issue as leverage to extract deep spending cuts. >> so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up. they even entertained the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it's absurd. republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith a
. >>> now to the fight over the debt ceiling. with the government on pace to run out of money by mid-february. yesterday president obama warned republican leaders that raising the nation's borrowing limit was nonnegotiable. he also struck back at members of congress who aim to use the issue as leverage to extract deep spending cuts. >> so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress...
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the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling, the continuing budget resolution. everything is used as a bargaining chip to get their way in this very ideological way. you said you don't doubt the congressman's sincerity on deficit reduction. i do. when you look at the fact that he didn't vote for the fiscal cliff deal. if you're talking about deficit reduction from raising revenues, he's not on board at all. he only wants to see it come from cuts. so it's a specific piece of ideology that he is coming from. i think it's abhorrent to use something like disaster relief as a chip to get your way. >> richard, they're also threatening government shutdown. are there any boundaries to some -- and these are not all republicans, but these extreme republicans when it comes to their ideology no matter who it hurts? >> they blinked last time they got to the point of default. and thank goodness. the credit rating went down. and the cost of borrowing to this country on the very deficits they cared about, they went up. so there's not a whole lot of sense here. there's a lot of
the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling, the continuing budget resolution. everything is used as a bargaining chip to get their way in this very ideological way. you said you don't doubt the congressman's sincerity on deficit reduction. i do. when you look at the fact that he didn't vote for the fiscal cliff deal. if you're talking about deficit reduction from raising revenues, he's not on board at all. he only wants to see it come from cuts. so it's a specific piece of ideology that he is coming...
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rather than raise the debt ceiling, the bill temporarily suspends it. meaning a vote will be held at some future point to determine whether to pay off the debt retroactively. secondly, this is a larger scheme to move the battle over the deficit and spending to a place where the republicans feel they have more leverage. the gop hashed plans for a republican revolution. politico report s speaker john boehner, using paul ryan as his salesman, urged his members to make their stand on the budget and sequesters. jake sherman writes, in roughly 48 hours, the republicans went from defense to offense and retreated to the debt ceiling must be matched by spending cuts. it was the swiftest and most drastic position switch in boehner's speakership. it was not lost on kevin mccarthy who said, "what they'll say after that vote, this is the day of the comeback." maybe if comeback also conotes fractious and uncertain strategy. with no democratic support, the way could go the way of boehner's plan b if just seven republicans break rank. and they still have to contend wit
rather than raise the debt ceiling, the bill temporarily suspends it. meaning a vote will be held at some future point to determine whether to pay off the debt retroactively. secondly, this is a larger scheme to move the battle over the deficit and spending to a place where the republicans feel they have more leverage. the gop hashed plans for a republican revolution. politico report s speaker john boehner, using paul ryan as his salesman, urged his members to make their stand on the budget and...
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ceiling, although he said he is open to more spending cuts. but he insisted that the u.s. is, quote, not a deadbeat nation. >>> walmart, the nation's largest retailer, will announce a plan today to hire every veteran honorably discharged in the last 12 months who wants a job which could mean 100,000 new jobs. >>> former president george h.w. bush was released from a houston hospital after more than seven weeks of treatment for bronchitis and related problems. >>> rand paul faces charges of assaulting a flight attendant on a january 5th flight in addition to underage drinking and other charges. >>> the chicago transportation authority is suing united airlines. they claim the airline is buying its jet fuel 70 miles away to avoid paying close to $300 million in sales taxes. the airline says the suit's claims are untrue. >>> students at the university of vermont should not bring bottled water had they return to campus because the school has banned its sale for environmental reasons. vermont is the largest public university to prohibit bottled wate
ceiling, although he said he is open to more spending cuts. but he insisted that the u.s. is, quote, not a deadbeat nation. >>> walmart, the nation's largest retailer, will announce a plan today to hire every veteran honorably discharged in the last 12 months who wants a job which could mean 100,000 new jobs. >>> former president george h.w. bush was released from a houston hospital after more than seven weeks of treatment for bronchitis and related problems. >>> rand...
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ceiling conversation, it's important to remember, this is not solving the debate over whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. this is putting off the debate of whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. >> we're told in response to this report coming out of the white house, one white house official said it is a terrible way to run the country. when asked if the president would veto a short-term extension, the official would not say yes or no, but reiing rated the president's opposition to creating a series of self-imposed crisis. that from kristen welker at the white house. this is putting the onus off the back of the house republicans. this is a big result coming out of they are retreat in williamsburg where paul ryan and others were basically indicating that they can't win this battle. >> the president's press conference, the ball in your court press conference, this is the republicans hitting the ball back over the met saying it's now in your court. we should see. can i make one other quick note? i want a whole andrea mitchell reports on old andrea mitchell footage of preside
ceiling conversation, it's important to remember, this is not solving the debate over whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. this is putting off the debate of whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. >> we're told in response to this report coming out of the white house, one white house official said it is a terrible way to run the country. when asked if the president would veto a short-term extension, the official would not say yes or no, but reiing rated the president's...
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there's a new debt ceiling plan from speaker john boehner and the house republicans that could force senate democrats to finally show their hand and pass a budget. plus it's only day four of president obama's second term, but joe biden is already commenting on possibly running for the top job himself in 2016. we'll show you what he said in a minute. first the new developments in the debate over guns in america. the national rifle association last night delivered a sharp response to president obama's inaugural address. speaking in reno, nevada, way waywayn wayne lapierre lashed out at one word from president obama. >> we cannot mistake absolutism, or treat name calling as reasoned debate. >> obama wants to turn the idea of absolutism into a dirty word, just another word for extremism. he wants you, all of you, and americans throughout all of this country, to accept the idea of principles as he sees fit. it's a way of redefining words so that commonsense is turned upside down and that nobody knows the difference. >> lapierre vowed not to give ground on gun control including efforts to
there's a new debt ceiling plan from speaker john boehner and the house republicans that could force senate democrats to finally show their hand and pass a budget. plus it's only day four of president obama's second term, but joe biden is already commenting on possibly running for the top job himself in 2016. we'll show you what he said in a minute. first the new developments in the debate over guns in america. the national rifle association last night delivered a sharp response to president...
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to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless with the debt. the real default has come from his lack of leadership on deficits and debts. the federal deficit has been over a trillion dollars all four years he's been president of the united states. he's done absolutely nothing to curb the costs of these programs that will, according to democra democrats -- >> hmm. >> bankrupt us. what has harry reid rand democrats done in the senate? absolutely nothing. how many days since they passed a budget? >> 1,357. >> 1,357 days since democrats have passed a budget in the united states senate. >> let's talk about that lack of leadership so many people have criticized the presi
to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless...
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. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john, we've seen speaker boehner's power getting weaker and weaker. is paul ryan now the de facto head of the gop? >> well, you know, actually, martin, i think he has been much more influential than people realize -- >> because he's been quite quiet publicly. >> going back to 2011. he has so much respect within that republican caucus. he's the guy who killed simpson/bowl simpson/bowles. he was on the simpson/bowles commission and wasn't willing to have any revenue increases. his fingerprints were not on it. and then when it came to the grand bargain, he told john boehner wait until the election. don't do this deal.
. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john,...
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. >> if they don't get the debt ceiling and you get some sort of reasonable plan around controlling spending, this conversation here is irrelevant because i think -- >> this conversation may be irrelevant regardless. it's not irrelevant. >> any time now, alex wagner is in the conversation -- >> oh, you're invited back, harold ford. >> entitlement reform and without tax reform and without some spending plan that congress can accept and the country can accept, the poll also said that we're talking about obama before the show that the majority of americans believe what's hindering economic growth is the fact that washington continually finds itself at an impasse or a position around how to resolve what seem to be to me and i think a lot of americans commonsense balanced solutions that should be put forward. without that, all of this, i don't think, comes to fruition. >> let me say one thing before we go. michael, if, in fact, the ofa infrastructure does work, does that not then -- does that not mean now all future presidencies will have -- >> the eternal campaign. to some extent, you do already
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ceiling. geithner says he will replace the money, about $156 billion, once the debt limit is raised. it should not jeopardize monthly pension payments. >>> the world anti-doping agency says if lance armstrong wants to compete, he'll have to testify under oath. in a tell-all interview with oprah airing tonight, armstrong admits to doping. we're also hearing from the livestrong foundation which said in a statement, we expect lance to be completely truthful and forthcoming in his interview and with all of us in the cancer community. inspired by the people with cancer whom we serve, we feel confident and optimistic about the foundation's future and welcome an end to speculation. >>> just moments ago, look at this, crews rescued a woman who had been trapped for several hours in between buildings in portland, oregon. she apparently went out for a smoke break and somehow fell into a tight space between those buildings. firefighters actually had to cut through a wall of a parking garage to get her out
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and it's killing -- every time we get a little better, 2011, the debt ceiling, and today, washington keeps making it worse. >> peter hart, there is also another aspect where the president stands right now and we wanted to put it in historical terms. this is the third straight two-term presidency so the third straight second inaugural we'll have if you will. >> right. >> it is similarities between obama and bush. this has been 2004 and 2012. very similar elections. they're in the same standing. where is the direction of the country, under clinton 46%. 40%. 35%. wrong track, though. clinton 38%. so he was a net positive. both bush and obama facing a net negative. when you see these numbers and you're in the middle of writing your second inaugural you have to take that into account when speaking to the public don't you? >> absolutely. and part of it is it's going from a position of hope to the ability to cope. and that's where the public is at. they recognize these are indeed difficult times and what is important is the ability to bring the public along. one thing you have to remember i
and it's killing -- every time we get a little better, 2011, the debt ceiling, and today, washington keeps making it worse. >> peter hart, there is also another aspect where the president stands right now and we wanted to put it in historical terms. this is the third straight two-term presidency so the third straight second inaugural we'll have if you will. >> right. >> it is similarities between obama and bush. this has been 2004 and 2012. very similar elections. they're in...
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they'll push -- the question is how -- how do they push on the debt ceiling? do they say, look, we'll give you a short-term extension of the debt ceiling for a certain amount of spending cuts, or we'll give you a long-term extension like you want for even more spending cuts. can they force entitlement reform around medicare, for instance, even some of the -- in their view -- more limited things that the president wants to do around means testing and age and indexing to try to attach that to a debt-limit deal. do they move beyond the debt limit, try to get to the continuing resolutions and those kinds of things? they recognize that this is the only area of leverage that they have, but they want to be careful about it. >> so chuck todd, how does the white house deal with that supposed leverage? >> well, first i think the republicans are hoping that they have a manti te'o defense, that somehow it was all a hoax and maybe the election was a hoax and they can go back and redo everything. no. i think the republican -- the white house strategy is make the house repub
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ceiling, gun control and how to get congress to work together. we'll get to that. but last night it was all about celebrating the second term of the 44th president of the united states of america. nbc's steve handelsman has more. >> reporter: they wowed the crowd at the inaugural balls. president obama in white tie but first lady michelle obama in a ruby red gown by jason wu. this was the ball for the military. >> i have no greater honor than being your commander in chief. >> reporter: it had been an obama family day. malia and sasha, dad and mom. as america paid tribute. an inaugural parade that showed off the nation's talent and diversity. >> i, barack hussein obama, do solemnly swear. >> reporter: the presidential's ceremonial swearing-in witnessed by as many as 1 million people. >> congratulations, mr. obama. >> reporter: mr. obama urged cooperation, rare now in washington, to cut health care costs and the deficit. >> but we reject the belief that america must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in t
ceiling, gun control and how to get congress to work together. we'll get to that. but last night it was all about celebrating the second term of the 44th president of the united states of america. nbc's steve handelsman has more. >> reporter: they wowed the crowd at the inaugural balls. president obama in white tie but first lady michelle obama in a ruby red gown by jason wu. this was the ball for the military. >> i have no greater honor than being your commander in chief. >>...
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ceiling, and it looks like they are going to be willing to extend the debt ceiling for three months with which is the cover of the new york times this morning, and what is that about? what is happening? >> well, it seems they are trying to line up their opposition to the president, this debt ceiling trying to line it up with two other big economic situations that we are going to be faced, that is to continue resolution that we common call the c.r. to keep the government running which expires the first of march. and then of course, we have the so-called, i don't know what to call it, but it is not the cliff, but it is not what i would call it. >> the curb. >> yes, the curb beginning to kick in, and we need to work with that and i think that they are trying to line it up to camouflage whatever they may do, which i think will be to vote to let the debt ceiling go up. >> okay. so i should not see this as we say in the black church, a "come to jesus" moment, but in washington they say we are outmanned on this, so we will have to give the president his way, because the wind of public opin
ceiling, and it looks like they are going to be willing to extend the debt ceiling for three months with which is the cover of the new york times this morning, and what is that about? what is happening? >> well, it seems they are trying to line up their opposition to the president, this debt ceiling trying to line it up with two other big economic situations that we are going to be faced, that is to continue resolution that we common call the c.r. to keep the government running which...
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ceiling hostage, those are real changes from the sort of kumbahyah obama that we saw a lot of at this time early in his first term. so i think it's all good, and i think he may be emboldened. his views, he is essentially a liberal centrist. i don't think anyone can really ever doubt that. but he hasn't always stood up for it. and sometimes it seems he is so eager to find some kind of nonexistent bipartisan compromise to the party of no, that he sort of shirked from it. >> i think he has stopped -- he went -- moved from saying we can find something between us that we can agree to move together on, that was sort of what he started off saying. and now he is saying we can agree to do it my way. my way, actually, is widely agreed upon. and it is the way that we can move forward, and i think we ought to. it's a bolder stance. >> it's a bolder stance. and by the way, he won the election. >> and that's why he's free to say it. >> this doesn't stop them from calling him a socialist radical. >> oh, no, there would be no fun if they stopped that. thank you for being here tonight. frank rich, wri
ceiling hostage, those are real changes from the sort of kumbahyah obama that we saw a lot of at this time early in his first term. so i think it's all good, and i think he may be emboldened. his views, he is essentially a liberal centrist. i don't think anyone can really ever doubt that. but he hasn't always stood up for it. and sometimes it seems he is so eager to find some kind of nonexistent bipartisan compromise to the party of no, that he sort of shirked from it. >> i think he has...